ITS A MYTH . . . . . .

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:53 pm Post subject: ITS A MYTH . . . . . .

This whole idea that everyone that robs a tent is a fence jumper is sheer rubbish, we had it first hand . . . . ..

We were sittin havin a J bout 5.30, and chattin to a guy who'd been workin (believe it or not) undercover security. He had a radio and shit, this guy was for real and sound as well. Every one moans about the security, but the way they were dealing with people was class, there were confiscations, noone was thrown out, remember that! heheheh

Anyways, so we end up sharing our j with this 'undercover' guy, and he was tellin us that the tent robbers were organised criminal gangs whod got tickets.
Ultimatley, 100 quid for a ticket, then rob all day??? They understand that catch the average one of us asleep at 5.30 and theres no way ure wakin up.

But this security guy told me that it was more mugging than robbery, people wernt asleep in thier tents all the time, sometime people were being jumped and threatened, the guy said what the was doing was dangerous and he just wanted to sit with us for the last half hour of his shift. So he had some j, and the radio kicked off and he was gone after a snatcher at one of the cafes.

I liked the idea that it was all about fence jumpers myself, but in the future its all about togetherness and vigilence.

The camping was split into zones with so many security responsible for each area, priority was given to catchin big dealers, and muggers (big gangs apparently)

Give the guys a break . . . . .

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:59 pm Post subject: Re: ITS A MYTH . . . . . .

BOLLOX PEOPLE WERE KICKED OFF SITE! And I saw the security being very violent with my own two eyes!

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:05 am Post subject:

We've all had our own experiences with security.

I found them imposing and thuggish, but we in compromising situations they mostly left us alone.

I SAW with my own two eyes an absolutely horrific assault (theres really no other description) by several security on an obviously very confused guy after Autechre.

Organised gangs is a possibilty, but just because you met one nice security doesnt mean they were all safe or decent or even approachable.

Reflecting on it, this could be the thing that ends the Glade as I knew it, its a no-win situation either way. I just keep wondering what happened to the super new fence we were supposed to have...

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:07 am Post subject:

"This whole idea that everyone that robs a tent is a fence jumper is sheer rubbish" it has allready been discussed that not every fence jumper was out to rob

".... noone was thrown out, remember that!"

that is not correct! just think about it for a moment ... so if they found a fence jumper they just said ok and let them stay for the rest of the festival? I think not

"But this security guy told me that it was more mugging than robbery, "
No it was robbery I was not aware of anyone being mugged

" the guy said what the was doing was dangerous and he just wanted to sit with us for the last half hour of his shift." well he was doing a fucking good job then!

"after a snatcher at one of the cafes. " snathcher? what festival where you at mate?

Im sorry mate but your "its a myth" is total bollocks

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:30 am Post subject: Re: ITS A MYTH . . . . . .

Im with everyone else on this, believe me, its not like im a proper screw . . .

If u think ya can find me a bunch o understanding 'yeah its obviously for personal' and 'iv always fancied an event like this' security then ideal . . . .

Im a bit biased cos i had my tent swiped last year, call me naive if ya may.

My point was . . . . . . . pretending that the event was gonna move served no purpose at all apart from a little bravado.

Lapsy lady security wasnt goin to sort out anythin realisticaly, and the kind of security which has the bottle to try and sort some o this shit out has difficulty in understanding big wrong from little wrong. . . . knuckleheads . . . .

This 'dark shadow' needs big boys . . . . . . .

Just gets a bit missdirected . . .

So, where u gonna get your secuity from then, eh, eh eh, eh, eh,eh?

Fucked if id know what ta do in the organisers position . . . ..

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:42 am Post subject:

Hey stretchy...

You seem to be a little confused...

"My point was . . . . . . . pretending that the event was gonna move served no purpose at all...." this may well be a totally valid point but its NOT a point you were making in your original post...

"Lapsy lady security"? "This 'dark shadow' needs big boys . ." did you actually see the size of some of the security guards?

Im sorry I dont understand what point (if any) you are trying to make

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:09 am Post subject:

I see what you're saying, Stretchy... we do, sadly, need security there if people are going to be robbing tents, and it's going to be very hard to find a company that is going to be perfect. My experience of the security was mixed... sometimes I saw and heard about really harsh and unneccessary behaviour towards genuine festival goers - but then when we were caught twice in the same night in a very comprising situation at the campsite, we were totally left alone. And it does appear that the thefts were greatly down on last year, so obviously they did serve a purpose.

I think the responsibility lies more with the organisers of the Glade. They really should have moved the site, and they really should have more security guards patrolling the fences to stop people jumping. I'm sure you could be right that some of the thieves have bought tickets, but I'm sure a lot of them were also jumpers. And imho, even if some people jumped the fence weren't there to steal from festival goers, they were stealing from the festival itself by not paying, and shouldn't be there in the first place!

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject:

it'll be even worse next year, a lot darker i think.. There's no way they'll get away with the new location blag again.

and judging by what we saw this year the organisers are more likely to make greater use of Shadow than to actually put up the big fuckoff fence that WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE PAID FOR..

Sorry for being a peccimist or whatever but i do feel real a sense of foreboding about next year's Glade.

The organisers showed us this year how little respect they have for the people paying for their festival, they're much more concerned about the ones who aren't.. Rolling Eyes

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:22 pm Post subject:

It is pretty upsetting that we paid extra for the fence and so on, and in fact it wasn't improved and the music was way quieter. They won't get away with that for too much longer - people will start going elsewhere.

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject:

or just not paying for next year's, as they know how easily they can break in Twisted Evil

(not that i'd ever consider doing anything so illegal of course)

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: ITS A MYTH . . . . . .

Lest we forget, security starts with YOU.

I've been 'lucky' with every festival I've been to - I've never had anything stolen. However, every story of theft I heard started with something along the lines of 'I left £200 and a camera in my tent porch, and when I woke up it was gone'.

The thing is, I've also been security aware.

The Glade may be an underground or 'niche' festival, but it isn't a house party. It is a festival with a large number of randoms present. Some of them are there to steal, and from the stories I heard, they made a killing.

I don't take anything I care about into the festival, unless I can keep it with me securely - like my pocket camera. I keep my wallet on me at all times, and when sleeping I make sure that someone would have to wake me up to steal it. Most tent thefts will be really quick jobs - unzip, scan, lift. (One of my friends had his bag emptied while asleep - they didnt take the bag 'cause his leg was lying on the strap.)

If you want to just get smashed and be able to lose all responsibility, I reckon you've gone to the wrong place. The nights can get proper cold, and passing out or becoming paralytic will only make you feel really bad (and possibly skint) in the morning... Or give more work to the people in the welfare tent.

Drink (or whatever) responsibly.

OK, maybe all this is a bit late for this year - but bear it in mind for next year, or any other festivals you go to.

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: ITS A MYTH . . . . . .

As far as I'm aware we have never been robbed at a festival .... the key is evidently having a scarey looking bloke in your tent. I'm sure I could hire Magic Karma out during the course of the festival to tent sit if it helps Wink

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:00 pm Post subject:

Yeh in my eyes, the security did a fucking good job of spoiling the vibe, adding lots of paranoia to genuine lovely people and assaulting them. The way they handled some of the particularly munted people on LSD was absolutely perverse and they should have criminal charges brought against them and never allowed to work in security again. Fucking animals.

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: ITS A MYTH . . . . . .

Security are not there to hurt, violate or harass people! They are there to protect us and the festival! Anyone who has been caught jumping the fence, stealing or harming anybody should be dealt with accordingly. Using violence is completely unacceptable! Of course there were security guards that weren't behaving like thugs but it cannot be ignored that there were many that were! We cannot accept this behaviour in our party community in my opinion, well I wont anyway!
I feel for those who have been robbed and in no way condone it but at the end of the day it's stuff! Having your head stamped on by security while on a bad acid trip if this story is true could potentially damage you physically and emotionally for life and there is no way that kindof behaviour can ever be justified for whatever reason, even if you are a thieving, fencejumping wanker! The whole thing just really saddens me and the more I read the more I am beginning to feel that 2006 may have been my last Glade.

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:23 pm Post subject:

yeah, unfortunately even if most of the security did behave properly, all it takes is one, or a couple of agressive individual security staff to screw it up for everyone.

generally though, if you arn't doing anything wrong then you should have nothing to worry about from them.

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject:

needmyidentity wrote (View Post): › ...the more I am beginning to feel that 2006 may have been my last Glade.

Glade is by far my least fave festival (apart from V - but thats another story!) ... apart from Glade 2004, thevibe there has been way off compared to all the smaller festivals I have been to.. I very much doubt i'll bother again...

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject:

I love the music and loads of my mates go...so the change in the vibe this year didnt effect me much, I just felt a bit out of place not being able to rampantly indulge.

I totally agree with Kook though, I went to a tiny festy with her and Cheese and IDGOM and had so much fun it was untold, but I think that was cause of the bar work.

I see Glade more as a 3 day rave and it is very music based. And the music, for me, has been damn awesome.

But SGP will be the tell all and the comparison to this year. Smaller festys are def. the way to go!

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject:

we have to have some kind of security. and there'd prob be no lisence without it. there is no doubt though that there was some bad security goings on thsi year, though again im sure there were soem very good guys doing it to. and im ceratin theres organised crime, there always is when you get such large gatherings of people together.

forgive me though stretchy, but undercover means that you dont tell people who you are pretty much when youre not working, and especially when you are, even if its the end of a shift! that just makes me laugh.

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject:

By all accounts the robbing was done by organised crews who had tickets..

You'll also all be glad to know that the security WERE really over the top to kids who'd jumped over the fence.. if only the securuty had actually done their job in stopping the robbing on the first night...

And what was with all the searches on site - I do hope everything confiscated got handed in to the Police...

Personally I though the security firm in the black 4x4s etc etc were a disgrace and spoiled a great festival and I do hope a *professional* firm get hired next year...

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:13 am Post subject: Re: ITS A MYTH . . . . . .

The security in black didn't even have anything on them that identified them as security they just looked like a gang of Neanderthals.